Conscious Success Co (00:01.4)
Hi, Jules. It is so amazing to be here with you today and have you on the pod. And so for those listening, we were actually peers in the same mastermind, which is how we got to know one another. This was a group of female business owners. And from the get-go, I've just always respected you and enjoyed you and your perspective and your authenticity so, so much. And so I'm just so excited to have you on today, to have a conversation with you, and to be able to...
Share your magic with everyone listening. So thanks for joining us.
Jules (00:31.96)
Thank so much Emma, that's so lovely to hear. Yeah, I do have lots of opinions.
Conscious Success Co (00:34.999)
you
Conscious Success Co (00:40.014)
Well, we'll get into all of them. I, just to kick things off, you know, I would love if you could just tell us a little bit about your career journey, kind of both the before and the after of being in corporate, what that looked like, and then what you've built since leaving corporate.
Jules (00:55.416)
Yeah, okay, cool. I'll try to keep this concise. I've had it 20 years.
executive corporate career. So I spent most of my time in large corporates working in either corporate strategy, so really traditional type roles. And then later in my career, I moved into what we call corporate venturing. So that's building new income streams for organizations. And I was lucky enough to work both in Australia and also Europe. So I worked in a private equity firm that was based both in the US and Europe. So got to build some businesses across those geographies, which was
awesome. and I did that as I said for 20 years and I guess I got to a point when I moved from Australia to London in 2017 where I thought I had hit the jackpot, the dream job, the title, global travel, like all of the bells and whistles, I thought this is it Jules, you've made it.
And I actually moved my family halfway across the globe. And within three months, I have what I lovingly refer to as a breakdown, but it was a breakthrough. And I realized I actually didn't love my job. I didn't love the corporate environment. And that kicked off my journey of really understanding myself and what type of business I wanted to build and what I wanted to step into. And so now I'm a portfolio career mentor and I support women to launch their own businesses.
which is something I always wanted to do, but I didn't have enough courage at the beginning of my career to step into that.
Conscious Success Co (02:30.294)
It is, I mean, it's so wild kind of hearing your own story because I don't even know if you know this about me, but I relocated myself and my now husband from California to London as well back in corporate and with behind within months, I was like, this is all wrong. I'm having a nervous breakdown. I'm hitting burnout. Like I need to redesign my entire career. So it's so funny. We're both like moving across the world in London and had these like reckoning points and very much, you know, similar to what you're saying. It's like,
Jules (02:40.104)
my gosh, I did not know that!
Jules (02:54.424)
You
Conscious Success Co (02:59.266)
that breakdown that leads to the breakthrough. And it's almost like things have to get so bad for you to be willing to listen to that inner knowing that you probably had heard for a while. So I'm curious, like, what was that point? What did that look like? What did that transition look like for you when you decided to, like, make a change?
Jules (03:17.782)
Yeah, it was, first of all, first off, what I remember like it happened yesterday was I was standing at my kitchen sink and I was like washing dishes and I just had this voice really calm but quite loud and clear and it was like, you've spent your whole life climbing a ladder and now we've realized we've climbed the wrong one. And it even like makes my voice break up now because it was so, it was like, huh.
That's exactly what I've done for the last 15 plus years of my life. And then a rush of nervousness. So I literally talk about it like going through the stages of grief, but for my corporate identity.
Conscious Success Co (03:59.959)
Mm-hmm.
Jules (04:00.031)
So initially when I had this dawn on me, like this is not what I want to do. I immediately went into a mode where I was rejecting that truth and I was just like, no, that's not actually, I'm just having a bad work month. Then I went into, you know, depression and bargaining and all of the different cycles of grief and to the point where,
It started in 2017, like this whole reckoning. And then by 2019, it took me a couple of years. I've just decided, well, I'm at a peace with it. It's not what I want to do any longer. And I'm going to take the challenge and step into something new in 2020. And that's what I did. But it did not happen overnight, which I think sometimes when you hear people's stories, you're like,
Also, what was it a couple of months? For me, it was like a genuine shedding of an identity and a genuine loss of who I, I know I thought I was going to be the CEO of a company. Like that's what as a young person I dreamt of. And it was letting me know who I am now, but it's just taking different shape, right? Like I thought, corner office, you know, I was, I was a, I was a child of the eighties. So I just thought this is what I wanted. And
Conscious Success Co (05:01.71)
Well, you are now.
Yeah.
Jules (05:13.376)
It took me a while to unravel who I thought I was going to be, say goodbye to that person and then rebuild.
Conscious Success Co (05:19.852)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I love that you talk about it as, you know, taking time and going through that grief and all of the shedding because I think that that is so true and, you know, certainly in the women that I work with and probably the same for you, it's like, you know, far before you're ready to make a change. And there's so much of that bargaining and reckoning and trying to see if you do it in a different way, might it work better? And some of that is important. Like, I talk with my clients a lot about the difference between
quitting something and completing something, where when we quit, we're running away from something, we don't actually know what we're running towards. We're just like, this job sucks, so I need to do something else. Maybe I'll be an entrepreneur, right? Versus when you complete something, you're like, I have learned everything I can from this chapter. I have grown, I've been empowered, I've really come into my full potential as far as I can in this role, so I am completing this and I'm going towards something else, whether that's another job or starting your portfolio career or a business.
Jules (05:56.044)
Yes.
Conscious Success Co (06:18.446)
That's really what I hear also in that is being able to get to that place of completion.
Jules (06:25.048)
100 % and I think what really helped Asha in this, I call it like a complete like resell generation of who I was, was stepping into using unconventional tools. So as you know, a part of the frameworks that I use, I use energetic intelligence combined with business buildings. And so that energetic intelligence is a tool, it's called human design. And...
I am like my MBA train brain was like Julie, what are you doing looking at these weird systems? People are going to think you're so woo woo. And so what actually happened, was I won't ever forget this part of my story as well, because it was it was it was divine timing. Like the universe was like, Julie, sit up and listen. So in 2018, I was working at a tech consultancy, a really popular one.
Conscious Success Co (07:01.08)
Like, this is so woo, this is so esoteric.
Jules (07:22.058)
And I was lucky to be, I thought, I'm so lucky to be part of this, this organization, but you know what? I felt depthless. I was like, this is just not, not it. And someone said to me, have you heard of human design? And I was like, excuse me, like, what is this thing? And then they said, it's like, has astrology. And I'm just like, I'm going to stop you right there. No, thanks. I mean, I think that's interesting, but.
I'm not into it. And almost I've always been curious about different systems, but at that point in time, I felt quite, you know, egoic almost about like, I am this professional woman, I can't think about these weird tools. And anyway, what happened was as I became, I was becoming really quite depressed at work. And so someone eventually introduced me to this therapist.
and this therapist was based in Seattle, I was in London, and when I was introduced to her she said, listen I'm a therapist, however I use your astrological themes as a way to guide the conversation. And I said, so you use my astrology? And she's like, yes it's like a wise auntie. And so we use those themes. So she actually helped me, because she was a medical professional, she helped me get
open up my mind to, well, this is a really unconventional tool that's really helped chaperone me into this new chapter. So then human design kept coming up. I would be going to get a coffee. I'd overhear someone talking about human design. The barista would say to me, have you heard about human design? Wild things. So then I thought, okay, I'm going to listen. And that's when I started stepping into it. And eventually, you know, I was trained and accredited in it because it helped me genuinely understand
myself, how I show up in situations and how and when I'm off track. And so that's kind of where it all started. It started with my own experimentation and then it's a it's now a core thread to what I do.
Conscious Success Co (09:19.98)
Yeah, you know, it's so interesting. I'm not a human design expert, but I think similarly, I, in my journey, learning to kind of what I call like reconnect with my sense of self and look at my energy and what gave me a sense of aliveness and like listening to that inner knowing and using that as my internal GPS system, which is very similar to human design, right, in many, many ways. And I think that coming from this like corporate, masculine, logical, data proven, like this concept of
Jules (09:30.294)
Yes.
Conscious Success Co (09:49.378)
human design based on your like birthdate and birthplace or just the concept of energy. Like these are things we just didn't talk about in corporate. And we almost like get conditioned out of like, if you're a smart, rational person, you won't believe in any of that. But there's this kind of fractured split of either you're like only right-brained or only left-brained. You can only use logic or you can only be in the woo. And I think some of my healing has been
Jules (09:52.78)
with.
Jules (09:57.56)
I'm not.
Jules (10:09.614)
right from your kiss.
Conscious Success Co (10:17.132)
learning to trust that while also learning to trust data and logic and other things as well, learning to look at systems like human design and take what I need from them and not totally seeing that as the only source of truth, but one that I can bring online and leverage.
Jules (10:27.371)
Exactly.
Jules (10:36.4)
It is so perfectly summed up Emma because sometimes some people come to me and almost they outsource their power to a system.
Conscious Success Co (10:45.055)
Yeah.
Jules (10:45.312)
And so my whole, you know, the way I use human design is it's a tool in our toolkit, right? You can't monetize your skill set if you don't understand what your unique selling proposition is or understand your skill set and then how to pitch it to the market. So human design helps you understand like what lights you up and brings you joy in the type of work you want to do. But unless you're doing those very practical actions in the marketplace, you're still going to feel like,
careers and going where I wanted to go unless you take the action. So I think the union and partnership of really having that depth of self understanding and knowledge combined with action is where the beauty and magic happens. And that was one of my, you know, that's why I was, and I think you would have heard me say this in some of our conversations, I was really hesitant because I didn't want to be known as the human design girly, right? Because there is so much more.
to what we do and how you build an aligned sustainable business that is one component, but there are many other pieces to the puzzle.
Conscious Success Co (11:54.159)
100%. Yes. And it's almost, you know, we don't want to be put in just the human design box. We want to be these people that can exist and be three dimensional and have all these different types of identities. And oftentimes we try to like, you know, some, think that's what I also struggled with initially in my business with like niching down, you know, you're like, I don't want to be put in a box, please. But I think it is really
Jules (11:59.416)
Yes.
Jules (12:14.136)
It was.
Conscious Success Co (12:16.952)
helpful to bring people along and see like, okay, you're going to build a portfolio career, which we can talk about more, as well as leverage this internal guidance and human design system in order to do both well, right? And I think that's so cool that you've blended kind of like the woo with the more business venture building side. I don't think a lot of people have that experience or can speak to both of those things in the way that you do.
Jules (12:44.824)
Good.
I mean, it's really I was and it's so funny, I resisted it for a long time because I you know, when you're really close, close to your subject matter, you just think, is this even special? Like, does this even matter?
Conscious Success Co (13:00.674)
Does anyone care? Does everyone already know this?
Jules (13:03.884)
And I would wake up all the time and I'm just like, what are you doing Julie? Like this is not, this is not special. This is not unique, but actually, you know, if you come back to first principles thinking it's just, I was always thinking like, imagine my favorite authors or imagine the favorite people I know in the business world had the same thoughts as I had. I would have never been inspired and expanded like I am today. So I kept on coming back to that point.
And also the, I kept on getting really good feedback. Like people were saying to me, particularly in the private equity world. So I leveraged a lot of the system that I use in my business. I have the six piece system that there's core components to launch a successful portfolio career. And for those listening, a portfolio career is essentially monetizing your skillset across multiple income streams. So for example, I have something called the portfolio career club. have
private clients, get paid for writing and speaking. So I have four key income streams and then two ad hoc. And so essentially I've just monetized my income streams. And that's what a portfolio career is. It's much like a financial portfolio. And I just, back in 2020, no one was talking about this. They were just like, no, that's, that's for older men who are 60 plus and don't want to be a CEO anymore. And they want to not quite retire, but
Conscious Success Co (14:17.624)
Mm-hmm.
Jules (14:32.545)
semi-retire so they step into a portfolio career and I'm like no I want this I want this way of working and so that's kind of where it all started
Conscious Success Co (14:41.71)
I love that and I want to dive in more to the portfolio careers, but going back to your career journey for a moment, so like you had this really successful tech, know, venture building, private equity, all the things, I think sometimes, and what I see with my clients often is that when you're already super successful and you already have a really high earning potential,
Jules (14:54.561)
Yeah.
Conscious Success Co (15:06.08)
It's almost harder to walk away than if you were just kind of like eking by at something, right? Like to decide to bet on yourself then and to be able to actually replace your salary in any type of reasonable time frame is really hard. Yes, you can invest in yourself potentially a little bit more easily, but certainly at that identity piece and worthiness and perception and all of that is really difficult. So how did you?
Jules (15:06.284)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Conscious Success Co (15:32.878)
justify that to take a financial step back or risk or make that leap to actually be like, okay, I want to do this portfolio career path.
Jules (15:34.552)
Yes.
Jules (15:41.462)
Yeah, it was so hard and it took me years, right? And I talk really openly about that. I am not risk adverse, but because to your point, I had a really good earning.
potential and capacity at the time I was in private equity we know you work hard but it pays well and so I thought to myself I am NOT the type of person who doesn't have a plan B so you know all of this online bros I do pick on the online bros a lot because I don't like the marketing bros you know how I like to give a lot of crap to the marketing bros
Conscious Success Co (16:13.27)
marketing browse. Go for it.
Jules (16:19.53)
So what I did some, basically I collected data and I said, okay, I'm a woman who has always been, you know, strained, confined. I grew up thinking that there was scarcity. So I was in this role. Would there ever be another role for me? So I had to work through all of those things. So I said, instead of taking the marketing bro's advice and saying, there should be no plan B, you should just jump and then try to swim. I'm like, not for me.
So what I decided in 2020, and I wrote this in my journal, I'm a big journal. The best, right, morning page, this is really good for your human design if you have an open head center. Yeah, Julie Cameron, she's my girl. And so essentially what I said at the beginning in January 2020 is I gave myself...
Conscious Success Co (16:50.52)
Me too, the best.
Yes, Julia Cameron, have to do it.
Jules (17:06.072)
three to four years. Like I literally said, I'm gonna give you freedom within a framework. So if anyone is in my world, they know that I use this terminology almost in every conversation. So I love a framework because it gives me guardrails and then I can play within it. And I don't feel so constrained. So really important for me is I had to pay mortgage, I had to school fees, I was in a dual income family. So when I spoke to my husband, we said, we're not jumping, we have a plan.
So in 2020, I started with this plan and it was began with writing online and I had goals and said, okay, but 2020 is my experimentation year. I don't exactly know what I want to monetize because at the time I really didn't even love my venture building skills. I was like, I don't even know if I like venture building anymore and that's my core skill set. But what I found was I was just burnt out in the context of the corporate, but I loved helping women build businesses. So then I started to experiment in 2020.
and found that there were two to three income streams that I knew I really wanted to explore, which was supporting solopreneurs, women solopreneurs launch businesses. I loved mentorship, not necessarily coaching, because I tried coaching, but I loved mentorship, which is more active. And I loved this concept of business partnering. So what I found in my experimentation here, so I gave myself a full year not to have any revenue targets just to experiment and play.
And I also created something called an investment board. So every month I gave myself a certain amount of money to invest in my development, because there were skills that I needed to build. This is a number one thing I tell women as well. If you don't invest in yourself, no one's going to come and save you. So my advice is particularly in this context of the world of work is to create your own investment fund. And so I decided to invest in myself. I put a portion of money aside.
and I had a board meeting every month with myself and I did an analysis right and I produced a one-page report I mean I was in PE so I was like I was used to this and so I basically gave myself a framework I operated in within that first year the second year then I had revenue targets
Conscious Success Co (19:07.534)
Yum.
Conscious Success Co (19:13.378)
I love it.
Jules (19:21.728)
And I started to really explore with building my personal brand. The third year, I told my work that I was enacting these different income streams, which I made a point that they were not in direct conflict with the organization because I was in an executive role. So I had to get approval for anything I did. And then the fourth year I resigned. And so it took me four years to resign. I was at a C-suite role.
right? It was very hard to resign, but I did. I saved, I had the capacity to save for 12 months. I had 12 months savings and I did that over a four year period. And my husband and I had an 18 month plan. We said, if within 18 months, I cannot reach a certain income.
Conscious Success Co (20:03.608)
Hmm.
Jules (20:09.448)
then we will reassess because I still have the skills, I can still go back in PE. You know what, I think that one of the things that I was really grateful for with the partnership with my husband when we had the conversation is it's not that you can't ever go back.
Right? You can always go back. It's my life. I can do whatever I want. I'm not in prison. And so I just had this plan. And basically during that time, we also relocated from London back to Australia. We lived in London for eight years and relocating last February was, it was a big change, right? I had no network in Australia. So I had to kind of build from scratch. So I just worked hard.
and I got to a point where we were really happy with my income levels and now it's a fully fledged business. But I mean I started in the January 2020 and we're nearly in 2026 so it's not it wasn't an overnight crisis.
Conscious Success Co (20:59.202)
Yeah. But I think it's so, yeah, and it isn't for anyone who's truly successful, right? And I think hearing that, that it takes four years, and I love that you gave yourself a full year to have no revenue target and just try to figure it out and write and experiment. And also what you're saying about the marketing bros might say, cut all your safety nets. That's the only thing that's going to make you successful. But in my work, I really focus on nervous system regulation and safety. And so if you
Jules (21:05.483)
No.
Jules (21:13.047)
Yeah.
Jules (21:26.284)
Correct.
Conscious Success Co (21:29.048)
cut your whole financial safety net and then you're worried about paying your mortgage, you're not going to be creative. You're not going to be strategic. You're not going to be able to make strong business decisions. And so I love what you're also saying about like, yeah, have a plan and phase it out and have the conversations with your husband to see how this really works. And similarly to you, I gave myself, I funded a business account and it gave myself a certain amount of time. I knew like,
I can leverage my network, I can go back, but try to do the thing I actually want to do first. So again, our stories are so similar there, and I think it's so important for women who might be in that same place where they're considering a pivot or doing something that's a dream that they don't know, can I actually be successful at it? And it's like, well, if you can give yourself a plan and a runway, and you can give yourself permission also to fail, you'll still learn a ton, and you can go back if you really want to. That's so.
Jules (21:56.78)
Yep. Yep.
Conscious Success Co (22:23.31)
safety and permission giving to hear that.
Jules (22:26.154)
absolutely. And I think your point about nervous system regulation is just so bang on because what I knew for sure was that I...
My lower expression, I'm a what we call a builder or generator type in human design. So I have the capacity. I regenerate every day. So I have the capacity to work hours and hours on end, right? Like that's a part of my energetics. And, but I also can burn out really hard and I've experienced that. So I knew I could easily like that switch into hustle mode if I felt unsafe, cause I did it for the most of my life. And so it was a really, an
practice every day saying to myself, are safe in this container. You are the driver of all of the rules. You're doing it slowly. We are doing this sustainably. Because as well, I was in a hyper scaling growth environment.
You know, I was in venture building. So the bro is one of the 10 X in the, within 24 months. So I was in that context, but also trying to build slow growth and sustainable growth. And the other thing I would say to everyone listening as well is nothing happens overnight. And to create a framework and a rhythm that you can sustain.
And I'm not talking about posting every day online, because I don't have the capacity to hold that. I'm talking about doing things, saying, okay, across seven days, I'm going to commit to working on my business three of those days. And that's how I started. I always give myself freedom within a framework, because if I try to say, something every day, Julie, I never do anything every day. I just don't have that in me. But when I said, okay, we're going to work on our business three times a week.
Jules (24:16.982)
And if I had a really busy five days, then I would work on it at the weekend. But it felt like I always tuned into myself and said, this feels really expansive. I'm really excited to do this. And the energy overflowed in other parts of my life. So that's where I started really tapping in.
Conscious Success Co (24:25.731)
Yeah.
Conscious Success Co (24:31.278)
Yeah. And that allows you to build that positive momentum. We're like, wow, I'm actually doing this three days a week. Oh, if I want to work on it a little bit more because I feel super inspired, great. Versus I'm going to work on this seven days a week and then inevitably falling short and making yourself wrong. And that's when you get in that start stop or shame cycle. yeah. And I'm also coming from the 10x, 20x world. And I think.
I don't know, this is something I'm really curious to get your take on because something I still think a lot about is, especially with like post IPO companies where it's just like up into the right growth at all costs, Move faster, better, quicker, whatever, all of the things. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, I think to some extent, a lot of the clients that I work with are like, the emperor is not wearing any clothes. Like that's not how it doesn't feel good. Like that doesn't work. But then,
Jules (25:07.544)
her
Jules (25:14.776)
Build and break, like all that crap, yes.
Conscious Success Co (25:28.534)
A lot of times people in leadership, know, hey, we have to report to the board. We just need to keep growth at all scale. And so there's this like, you know, small business or solopreneur or like, you know, family business where you can feel the humanity and what you're building and the connection to it. And then it feels like at a certain point with many companies given, you know, the incentives and everything else that starts to fall off. Like, do you think it's possible to, as I call it, like be consciously successful?
Jules (25:53.218)
Yeah.
Conscious Success Co (25:57.823)
in corporate today or do you think that we have to leave in order to be able to do that?
Jules (26:04.082)
It's a really good question. My instinct says yes, we can definitely find an operating rhythm to be successful, integrity based. I always, in my experience, and I was in that hyper growth environment, but I knew I wanted to leave. I always wanted my own business. That was something in me. But I think for people who are still in corporate, it's understanding the context you're playing within, but not becoming your environment.
Right? So I, I worked really hard at what I could control versus uncontrollables. So what can I control and what's in my sphere of influence that I can create this beautiful, gorgeous environment. And I did, I had five startup teams in the firm I worked in. We all did our human design. You know, we talked about like, you know,
I have a decisive decision-making process and one of my team members needed to ride their emotional wave and he would call me out and say, hey Jules, I just need to ride my wave, give me another 12 hours. And you know, we created this beautiful container that we operated in and did we love all of the different components? No, but I totally appreciated the system I was operating within.
Conscious Success Co (27:12.11)
you
Jules (27:25.59)
Right. I understand the corporate structure wasn't meant doesn't don't design for the employee. It was designed for the shareholders to get gains. And I'm sorry, that's just I don't agree with it. It's a fact. And so I stopped saying it's not fair because I'm like, I'm in that I'm playing within this system. So what can I control? And that's
Conscious Success Co (27:35.246)
That's a fact.
Jules (27:49.878)
That gave me a lot of actually head space because I became very laser focused on what I could make bright and sparky and joyful and other things that it just, is what it is.
Conscious Success Co (28:04.468)
Mm-hmm. Absolutely. think, yeah, knowing what you can control and knowing what you can't and not stressing or taking on what you can't. And then I also love what you're saying about, like, OK, well, in your little world and in those teams, like, how can you make it sparkly? How can you bring in human design? How can you leave your mark even if you can't change the collective or the system itself? And that is empowering to be able to see that sphere in which you can still have your impact.
But I think something that you have talked about, I believe, is that there's been such a huge increase in restructuring, layoffs. mean, it feels like in tech, here in the Bay Area, it's like companies are laying people off every six months, right? It's crazy now. What do you think about this idea that I think our generation and the generation before and before that was really raised under about there's this social contract and safety that comes from being on the corporate ladder and like,
You get the job and you work hard and you work your way up and then your needs will be provided for and you'll have a good life. But we're seeing it like devolve before our very eyes. And it's like, is that something we can actually trust or what do we need to actually do and think about in order to keep ourselves safe in this shifting environment, economic climate with AI? Like talk to us a little bit about that and how you see safety in the future of work.
Jules (29:26.156)
Yeah, okay. I have so many thoughts about this. think that, and I wanna be hopeful, yet realistic, because I am really excited about the future of work.
Conscious Success Co (29:30.1)
You
Jules (29:39.426)
But the future of work is shaped. I say this future of work is portfolio shaped. And I'll talk about a model I've been exploring where we're moving from a corporate model to more of a Hollywood model. So if we think about the history of work, it was really industrialized based, right? It was like this, we were doing work that was a five step process. was like an operating factory, right? We producing widgets. And as we moved into knowledge work,
just lifted and shifted the same framework that was in the industrial era into our knowledge work and created these big corporations. And what we're seeing now with AI is a lot of that work is no longer valuable. Like the structures that we have in place, it's kind of, we've looked underneath the duvet and it's like, all of this stuff is not as we expected it to be, or all of this stuff can be automated. And what I'm seeing in the future of work is
Firstly, organizations will still operate in the same premise. They want to have the most shareholder returns. Okay. And in order to do that, they can maximize that with technology like AI. So I'm seeing organizations move from more of a, the social contract, unfortunately, is broken and that promise of long tenure and employment.
is a thing of the past. So from a statistic point of view, the OECD predicts that by 2030, that's like four years away now, 50 % of people will have portfolio careers. So that's multiple income streams to make up a salary. So that's one.
We're also seeing redundancy cycles move from three to five. It used to be in 2018, it was around three to five years than the normal mass redundancy cycles. We're starting to see that now starting last year move to six to 12 months. So every six to 12 months, we're seeing a lot of layoffs and redundancies, et cetera. So having all of these facts in place, it's like, okay, well, where is work moving?
Jules (31:46.102)
We're seeing work move from full-time employment to more of a Hollywood model where people, know, a Hollywood project, you have a producer, a producer goes out, gets the cinematographer, the makeup artist, the actors, scouts, the location, they come together to produce the movie and then they disband. So they create a project and then they, you know, finish the project and go off to other things. That's where I see the future of work moving.
Conscious Success Co (32:00.227)
and then.
Jules (32:14.634)
So a lot of us moving more fluidly. So think about it, you know, we plug into an organization, we do a project and then we leave.
And that's what I say the future of work and there's a lot of facts to back that up. So from an individual perspective, my advice is you move from an employee mindset, so from outsourcing all of your power to an organization, they have to look after me, they have to give me my bonus, they're giving me my one income stream, they're investing in my development to a portfolio shaped career where you're the CEO of your own career, whether you're in a portfolio, you're contracting, freelancing, fractional, whatever.
that is, but you are owning all of those income streams. So you are building your pipeline of opportunity. And for me, I think the whole component of being attached to strategic communities, so really tapping into communities where there's opportunities for you to meet other people and to get work and you to do the same for them. There's a lot of quid pro quo is the future of work. And the last thing I'll say is I think the whole HR function is going to be
Conscious Success Co (32:59.619)
Yeah.
Conscious Success Co (33:20.301)
Mm-hmm.
Jules (33:24.246)
reimagined in organizations. So versus we used to have like employee value propositions and all of these things and talent managers. What you'll see now is instead of talent managers managing talent internally they will go out to these strategic communities bring talent in for a project and then disband them. So it's more semi-permanent type of work.
Conscious Success Co (33:48.715)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and look, we can get scared about it it will be a massive transition in very short order. But at the same time, thinking about that Hollywood model, in many ways, there's more creativity, there's more energy, there's, the ability to say, okay, I didn't love that project, so I'm not going to work with that director again, versus, well, I've already spent eight years at this company, like, I can't leave now. If I'm under toxic leadership, I just need to, like, grin and bear it, or, you know, there's too much to lose. And so oftentimes when we're
Jules (34:02.808)
Yeah.
Conscious Success Co (34:18.644)
overly dependent or overly attached or we're outsourcing our identity or our worth to our job, the one thing, we actually end up in a very like disempowered state. So shifting this Hollywood model, in some ways we're taking back a lot of our power and I think that's quite hopeful.
Jules (34:34.72)
It is really hopeful and I also think it's not going to happen overnight, right? So let's just, the industry is changing and you know, there's a lot of media and hype, et cetera. Work still needs to be done and AI cannot do, does not taking over most of human work, right? It's just automating, automating processes. And so what I'm hopeful is that people who are in their corporate jobs start thinking about their future now.
So my advice is like, how could you, if you have a skillset or you know that you want to get into this, this type of, do this type of project, because I also think high definition jobs, like I was the head of, I was the VP of like venture building, like all of these job titles will start to disintegrate and it will be more of the collection of skills that you can bring to the organization. So thinking about what's my skillset and is there any skill gaps? Right? So I think about.
my skills in a honeycomb formation and what honeycombs do I have to fill in and if I know that there's some skills I need to improve on well how do I use my investment fund now whilst I still have a full-time job to invest in myself over the next six to twelve months how do I become future ready and future proof
because it's up to us to own our own direction. So when the time, if the time comes where your job is changed or you need to start stepping into a portfolio career, you have the core components to feel that you're well resourced to be valuable in the marketplace.
Conscious Success Co (36:06.862)
Absolutely. And so this idea of a portfolio career, you have multiple income streams, each of which will make up a different portion of your overall revenue. And you can kind of turn one up or turn one down based on what you're seeing working or your season of life or where you want to spend your time and energy. having built a business, I know how much.
Jules (36:22.424)
Thanks a
Conscious Success Co (36:30.078)
energy and effort just creating one income stream can be. I'm curious about how many different streams did you actually have when you left corporate versus just continued to build once you exit? Because telling especially my clients who are working mothers who also want to exit corporate and build something on the side, and then if you're like...
Jules (36:33.398)
Yeah.
Jules (36:50.679)
Yes.
Conscious Success Co (36:54.67)
create multiple income streams and replace your income before you can even, you know, it starts to feel paralyzing and they're like, okay, I just can't. So like, how do you think about that and how do you advise your own clients about
Jules (37:00.386)
Correct. Yeah.
Jules (37:06.358)
Yes, great question. in a, if you think about a financial portfolio, not all of the different portfolio companies that you have are operating at a hundred percent. So you have a couple of money makers and then you're placing some strategic bets on the rest, right? Very similar to your, when you monetize your income streams. So in my own business, I start, have, I really have two core income streams.
and I nurture those most of the time, 80 % of the time. Then I have 20 % of ad hoc income streams and they only came because opportunities came to me because of what I was known for, right? So my advice is always to people is get really clear on, I call it like your core product.
Right? So what is that thing that you're going to be known for? This could be your signature, framework, whatever you want to call it, is your core product. And then you talk about that in the market, you write thought leadership pieces about that. And most of the time it's what you were doing in your corporate environment. And my advice is also not to, I don't like trading time for money. So most of the women I work with have a minimum 10 years experience. So we don't want to reduce ourselves to hourly rates.
That's not something that I would ever accept in my corporate career. So I'm not accepting it now. So we get really strategic about value-based pricing. And so more often than not, can make, I make more money now in less amount of hours because of value-based pricing, because I'm collapsing over 20 years of executive experience when I'm supporting people across eight hours as an example.
Conscious Success Co (38:47.064)
Mm-hmm.
Jules (38:47.54)
And so you get really strategic and then you add, sometimes we add an additional income stream for people who want, I call it experiential products. So if your core product is at a higher price point and people are like, I just want to experience you first, then we have those two offerings. And that's where we start.
Conscious Success Co (39:07.5)
makes a lot of sense. So it's kind of like having your main core offer and then maybe a smaller compact taster offer to get started. And then from there, build additional ones or see what starts to come inbound or what is calling to you next and kind of build it in this like phased or iterative approach, it sounds like.
Jules (39:26.441)
Yeah, it's definitely phased and also a part a lot of portfolio careerists we enter into what we call a consulting collectives. So it's not just about working as a solopreneur, you go and then pitch for larger pieces of work, three to four portfolio careerists go and pitch as a collective. And that also becomes quite an expansive income stream because you're working with your peers, you're getting you know, it's a great contract. So you that can also become become an additional revenue stream as well. And so we see
a lot of portfolio careers having a great earning capacity stepping into those types of operating frameworks.
Conscious Success Co (40:04.43)
And how do people find these types of consulting collectives or start to network and build community in this way?
Jules (40:07.672)
Yeah.
Jules (40:12.116)
It's so the community I run. we also have a channel where we share, you know, different opportunities. I'm pitching for this. Are you based in Melbourne? That type of thing. So my advice is I know that networking has a really bad rap. And to be honest, I don't call it networking. I call it strategic communities because people just feel revolting when you hear networking. But in as...
In this new world of work, regardless of what you're doing and if you're going for a traditional job or monetizing your income stream, having a well-resourced group of people that are your supporters and bring in opportunities for you is so important. And I think about it in terms of a triangle, like you have a top tier group of people where you're sharing opportunities, you know how to get new work, things are in the pipeline.
The second level are more acquaintances, they're in your category and they're warmer opportunities. And then you just have people that you network, like go for breakfast to make sure that you have different people around you because you're a solopreneur, et cetera. So I always think about my triangle of people in my, who I'm working with and who I'm reaching out to. And that's how I also build my pipeline of opportunity.
Conscious Success Co (41:31.64)
Yeah, I love that idea of strategic communities versus networking. And do you find that most of your clients, like in the portfolio career club, are they building a side hustle alongside their corporate job? they leaving and taking some kind of self-funded break or sabbatical, or maybe they had a layoff and it was forced upon them and they just go and build in a new career direction? What do you see as the split between that, or what's most common?
Jules (41:58.968)
Yeah. So I have I have all three of those types of women in my group. I would say more than 50 percent are in corporate and have the intention of leaving within the next 12 months. Most of the women that I support, we've never if you've been in corporate for long enough, you've never really thought about yourself as a one person business. So it's a real skilling upskilling of how to actually present yourself in the market.
How do you talk about your skillset in a way that's value-based outcome driven versus here's my CV, here's the title. So it's this whole process of understanding how to reposition and present yourself in the market. Then I have what I call scaling portfolio careerists. So they've already activated one income stream, but they're looking to add their second and third across their portfolio. And a lot of those women are freelancers. So they're just thinking like,
I'm just trading time for money. How do I actually restructure my product architecture? So I have different products, a different income points, pricing points in order to have these different streams of revenue. And a lot of the time people think passive income, like I don't believe in passive income, by the way. I think it's BS. And so we're really learning about like, what does it actually mean to have a direct to consumer business versus a B2B business?
Because if you're direct to consumer, your go to market is completely different than versus B2B. So it's educating them on like, what do you actually want to step into genuinely? And where do you put your time and focus? And then I have about 10 % of women who've been laid off. And they in Australia, I'm not sure if this happens in the US, but in Australia, you're given a certain amount of money. When you're late, your redundancy pay, called.
And can either invest in different services and they a lot of the time the women invest in the club to help them launch their portfolio career. So there's all three but what I would say is a lot of women are in corporate saying, okay, I need a plan B.
Conscious Success Co (44:05.44)
Mm-hmm. And when do you see them actually take the leap and cut their ties from corporate and quit the job? Like, have they replaced their income? Have they validated an income stream? And they're like, OK, if I can scale it and I see a runway, I'll be OK. At what point do you see people actually betting on themselves and making that change?
Jules (44:21.803)
It's for.
Jules (44:25.4)
It's the, for the women who are still in corporate, it's about a 12 to 18 month time horizon. And you know, it, reflected my own journey because the first 12 ish months, maybe even more for me, it was just, it was really experimentation because what I thought I really wanted to do versus when I started experimenting with that income stream, I'm like, I don't really like this. So I'm going to change it up. So that was with me in coaching. I thought I really wanted to be a coach.
Conscious Success Co (44:30.296)
Yeah.
Conscious Success Co (44:47.726)
Totally.
Jules (44:53.248)
And then I started doing it. I'm like, actually, I don't enjoy this at all. I love business partnership. I love building business. And it was really great that I still have my corporate role and the income whilst I was experimenting with my different income streams.
Conscious Success Co (45:08.128)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I think it's, we get to see that as productive and such a good thing to be like, okay, I'm gonna test this out and I'm gonna try coaching on and, wasn't for me. Okay, let me pivot. Let me do something different and to give ourselves that permission and enough of a timeline to play and really find out our alignment and in my framework as regulation alignment strategy. So first clearing up the...
Jules (45:15.34)
Yep.
Jules (45:33.036)
Yeah.
Conscious Success Co (45:34.649)
programming, the traumas, the conditioning, the fears that are causing us to strive and achieve from fear versus from our authenticity and our alignment. And then the second piece being alignment, it's like, okay, well, how do you even clarify what you want to do? And what are your gifts and what gives you energy and what's the ways you want to work? So very similar. And then the strategy of like, okay, how do you take those actions and how do you apply the business or the leadership strategies or whatever else?
Jules (45:42.497)
Yes.
Jules (45:58.817)
Yes.
Conscious Success Co (46:02.338)
And then it's iterative, right? Like the strategy changes and you have to take a shot and learn from the market and get feedback and keep going. And so I think we talk about it in different ways, but like so much of that is so core to both the clients that we work
Jules (46:04.172)
Yes.
Jules (46:14.04)
It's so, I think it's very the same because we've also lived, we've lived it, right? Because I tried to like throw into the shadow the inner work. I mean, I did that for most of my corporate career and that's why I burnt out because I was like, that's why people start, say, start with the inner work because that's where you need to start.
Conscious Success Co (46:26.316)
Okay.
Conscious Success Co (46:38.018)
Yeah, and I mean, I talk to my clients all the time about how, you know, if you're building a skyscraper on top of faulty foundation, like that skyscraper is coming tumbling down, right? Like first, you have to fortify the foundation. If you're buying a house and it doesn't have strong foundation, like that's where your money's going first to like fix the foundation. And that's what we have to do so that we can get back in touch with our...
authenticity and what is aligned from us. And then you can build as high as you want to go from there, but like skipping over that step and just going into the like strategy or the business building and not wanting to look there is often a more circuitous route to getting to where you want to go.
Jules (47:14.998)
And it's kind of like the reason why I start, I am really open about this and the way we start any work with me is it's purpose, but that's diving into your energetic intelligence, right? And it's because that's where it all, that's how you build a sustainable business. So if anyone wants to skip that, I'm just like, I'm not the right person to work with because you could just work with any business mentor.
because they're going to just teach you the mechanics, but I'm going to like help draw from the inside out. And that's what the difference is, right? And, but I'm also not about hyper, if people want to hyper grow, go for it, but it's not about hyper growth. It's about sustainable income over time.
Conscious Success Co (48:00.537)
is what we are all about here at Conscious Success. So it's very, very aligned. so talking a little bit more about human design. So sometimes I've opened my chart and I kind of like my brain scrambles and my eye starts to twitch and I get overwhelmed at like what all the symbols mean and everything and all of the things, what do I actually need to pay attention to? for those who aren't super familiar, can you help us to understand, especially as it relates to like career alignment,
What are the most important factors for us to focus on and understand about our human design?
Jules (48:29.857)
Yeah.
Jules (48:35.232)
Yeah, okay, I love this question because it is really overwhelming. Like when you, it took me like years and years to decode and I still haven't gone through every single element completely. So I call it the big three in human design and I work with human design foundations. Cause if you can get these foundations right, then the rest of the energetics flow.
So if you're interested in exploring, I would say to look at three things in your chart. The first one is your energy type. So your reflector. So you're like one to 2 % of the population, which is really unique. You're very, very precious. And there's a certain way I would support you with your business operating structure and your operating rhythm, making sure you have spaciousness to D.
Conscious Success Co (49:05.794)
Very rare.
Jules (49:21.112)
clutter, be in your own energy because if you're always reflecting and working with clients, we need to make sure that you energetically cleanse and rinse so you don't get burnt out. And so that operating rhythm and structure is how we would, I would support you to structure your business. So I'm a generator, which is one of the most common energy types. So I can have, I'm designed to consistently work every day for a certain amount of time, as long as I'm lit up and feel very excited about my work. And so my
structure would be really different to yours, right? The way we would design that. So that's one.
Conscious Success Co (49:55.214)
And just on that point, I think it's so helpful when you can see like me needing space or to come back into my own energy. Like that doesn't make me broken. That doesn't make me lazy. It doesn't make me wrong. But so often we've learned that there's like one conventional way to work or to be successful. And then there's so much where we're like, why can't I be successful in that context or what is wrong with me versus this gives you a permission to be like, this is just how I work.
best and how do I align to that versus making myself wrong for that fact.
Jules (50:27.448)
And it's no surprise that your business is, you know, it's about being consciously successful. Because as a reflector, you're designed to literally reflect the health of the community. So if you're in a corporate environment and your corporate role, you would have had physical manifestations of illness, I'm sure, that you experienced because you were reflecting the energetic health of the organization.
And so that's why going into a space, a physical space and being around people for a reflector is really important that those humans are healthy, energetically healthy for you. Otherwise you do get ill. And so just knowing that.
Conscious Success Co (51:12.142)
Yes, is why I love to be able to now choose the clients that I work with and the people that I invest in those relationships with because being in an organization where at any one time a new leader could be brought in and the whole health of the organization can switch was very impacting for me. And when I look back at the eight years I was at my last company, would say six of those were like...
Magnificent. was like on fire and I loved it. But then there were some real shifts in the last two and because I sample and pick up and reflect the health of the organization, I did start to feel that very physically, very fast.
Jules (56:29.492)
Can you hear me?
Jules (56:33.14)
Can you hear me?
Conscious Success Co (56:33.422)
Hi, we're back. Hi Ken.
Jules (56:37.352)
I know what happened. This is so annoying. I can't. Now I can hear you.
Conscious Success Co (56:38.232)
Can you hear me? No, you can't hear me now.
You can. Okay, we're good. We'll just cut that. It's all good. Do you have a hard stop at?
Jules (56:43.646)
Yeah, It's, okay, it's saying, it's saying trying to reconnect to make sure you're stable internet connection. I don't know what's going on because I have full internet.
Okay, it's gone. All right.
Conscious Success Co (56:59.692)
I think it'll be fine. Yeah, I think we're good. Okay. Do you have a hard stop in nine minutes or can you go? I just want to wrap up this one section and then do a... Okay, perfect. So, okay. So we'll just pick it back up from there. Okay. So that's your type. That's the first one that is really important. Can you walk us through the other two? Because I think you said there's three.
Jules (57:04.211)
Okay.
Jules (57:09.162)
and I'm going to do it right now.
Jules (57:22.718)
Yeah, so there's your energy type. Then the second component I would suggest people would start exploring is their decision-making process. So in human design, this is called your inner authority. And why I love human design so much is because it taught me that actually people have, there's seven different ways that we can make decisions that's unique to people's human design. And usually on, we only hear about one. So if it's not a hell yes, it's a hell no.
And actually that's really bad advice for over 50 % of the population. And so I would really advise people to start exploring their inner authority. So for example, mine is I'm a sacral decision maker or a gut instinct decision maker. So I really tune into my gut and I either feel expanded or contracted. And my gut likes yes or no.
questions. So if anyone asks me an open ended question, I would always ask them to rephrase it so I can answer it yes or no. Because then I can connect in with my energetics and see if I'm expanded or contracted. And so if you're what we call you go
Conscious Success Co (58:29.112)
That's it.
No, so in this, think mine is wait a lunar cycle. Is that this one where I have to actually wait 30 days to make a decision?
Jules (58:36.937)
Yes. So you have a really unique, as I said, it's the most one to 2 % of the population have this decision making process. Essentially, if you're a lunar decision maker, or what I call an evaluator, what it's asking you to do is over depending on the size of the decision is to sample over it could be over five days.
It could be over 10 days, but sample how it feels to say yes to that decision and what it feels like to say no. So you're sampling and saying, hear all the reasons why I could say yes, but I haven't reached that point of clarity yet. Then five days later, you might be like, well, here are all the reasons why it's a no. And then you could say, well, here is why I think it's a yes. And then over a certain period of time, you've sampled
the different ways it could be a yes or no. And then you land at a point of clarity where you're like, it's more of a yes than a no. And so it's not necessarily 28 days, which is a full lunar cycle. Depends on how big the decision is. We need to give you spaciousness to reflect with different people how it feels to move into that decision. So if you're in a high tech world and if you're being asked,
Conscious Success Co (59:43.214)
Mm-hmm
Jules (01:00:01.67)
in the moment to make massive decisions on budgets or team that would have been really destabilizing for your energetics.
Conscious Success Co (01:00:11.982)
Yeah. And I think also what you're saying, and I don't know how much of this is related to that strategy, but I could convince myself of one thing and then convince myself of another thing. And I think some of that was just being head-based versus dropping into my body and being in touch with the intuition. But because I'm sampling and reflecting, coming out of one conversation, I'm like, this is a really good decision. And then all of a sudden, it's not. And so I have learned, even though maybe that goes against my instinct or what's most comfortable, to slow down and not be so…
Jules (01:00:33.864)
Yes.
Jules (01:00:39.956)
slow down.
Conscious Success Co (01:00:41.312)
impulsive and to actually force myself to take a little bit longer on those big decisions.
Jules (01:00:46.154)
100 % because your yes today could feel like a no tomorrow and you could have decision hangover. And so how I would rephrase what you've just said is it's not so much, it could have felt like a yes in that moment, but we just want to hold it and say, okay, it feels like a yes right now, but I'm going to sit with it and see how it feels tomorrow. Whereas if you're a so-called decision maker like me,
I can quite instantly if I'm operating in a space of higher, you know, a healthy state, I know if I feel expanded, I have a visceral like body reaction, like my shoulders go back and I'm like, oh yeah, I really want to do this. But quite often at work, I would be asked as like, here's an opportunity for you, Julie. And I just felt compressed. My shoulders would slag and I'd be like, I don't want to do this. And that was an indicator that it was a it was a clear no.
Conscious Success Co (01:01:40.236)
You
Jules (01:01:42.666)
Then the third component I would advise people to explore is something called their profile, which is a combination of two numbers. I don't know if you know your profile. I'm a three five. we're three fives. Okay, so let's talk about the three five. Why I love the three fives is how we use this in building your business. So for example, you use your energy type to help the structure and flow of your business and the operating rhythm.
Conscious Success Co (01:01:56.11)
I'm a three five. We're both three fives.
Jules (01:02:11.784)
You use your decision making to know like what propositions feel expansive, who do I wanna work with? So we tune into that. And your profile helps you understand how you naturally, strategically position yourself and the presence you have in the world. So we are three fives, meaning we are natural experimenters. So before we do anything, we kind of need to experiment, get the learnings ourselves.
And then through our line five, which is called the problem solver, we're here to serve a specific part of the community and solve specific problems. You and I, we're solving a really specific problem for people. And the way that we communicate to them and say, Hey, listen, I've experimented with all of this. Here are the insights. Here's my learning and here's how I can help you. And so if you look at a lot of my content, I actually use the strengths of my three five profile to build my content plan.
I'm talking a lot about my experiments. I'm talking a lot about the problems I choose to solve and why I choose to solve them. And so there's 12 combinations of profiles. So if you look at, I have information on my sub stack, if anyone wants to go and look at that, but you can really then decide, well, if I'm a one three, how does that show up in my work? And how does that show up in the way I'm presenting myself?
Conscious Success Co (01:03:32.162)
Yeah, absolutely. And I love that. And it's so true. Once you see it in that context or you understand yourself like that, that is so true of me. I have to experiment to know what works. And I have to have the lived experience myself before I'm going to trust it. And then once I do, I am so bold and so confident. And I'll convince anyone. But I have to have that lived embodied experience first before I can do that. And so then to see that as like, yeah, that's innate. That's just how I am built.
Again, it's just like such a helpful lens. And so I love how you pick these key parts of human design and really tie it into career and how we find that path and the way of working that really works for us. So, so good. I mean, I could talk to you for hours and hours and hours, but I know you have to be cautious of your time here. So I want to just end with a rapid fire, five questions.
Jules (01:04:27.498)
you
Conscious Success Co (01:04:28.238)
and then you can share where our listeners can find you. So for these rapid fire questions, first I'd love to just understand what does conscious success mean to you?
Jules (01:04:39.21)
living. So for me personally, it's building a sustainable business that I want to be in every day.
Conscious Success Co (01:04:52.15)
Even the people that we admire most are still growing and evolving. So what's one area of your life where you're currently being stretched or learning something new right now?
Jules (01:05:01.834)
The tension between what I like business growth and sustainable success because I'm always picked. That was my background, like growing, what's your growth plan? So at the moment I'm learning what's the balance of growth for me that feels really supportive in the life I wanna live and meeting my ambitions as well.
Conscious Success Co (01:05:30.186)
Is there a book that has stuck with you over the years or one that you frequently reread or recommend to others?
Jules (01:05:36.552)
Yes, yes, yes, yes. My number one book is The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer. It really supported me to understand so much about myself, about, you know, the thorns that you have and how you respond in certain situations. So I actually buy that for people and just give it out because it's one of my favorite books. And I would say cheekily the second one is The Big Leap by Gay Hendrix.
Conscious Success Co (01:05:44.462)
Amazing. So good.
Conscious Success Co (01:06:04.61)
I love Gay's work. mean, it's so core that understanding your zone of genius and really everything about what he says I think is so good and so actionable. So I definitely co-sign that recommendation. Who is someone in your world today who you really admire for the way that they live, or succeed? And what is it about this person that really inspires you?
Jules (01:06:06.834)
Yes, so good.
Jules (01:06:30.142)
Yeah, I have two women actually, which I want to share here. So when I got back to Melbourne, I really asked the universe for women who were around 10 years older than me, because I wanted women in their 50s to support and usher me into this new place I'm moving into. And I found two extraordinary women who were redefining work, career and success in Australia. One, her name is Andrea Clark. She's the author of Adapt.
And she's just this incredible force that's just shown me that I can live this life that I want to live and also be ambitious and have a spacious, beautiful, wonderful family life. there's she's just being this shining person for me. And also a woman, her name is Jacinta Whelan and she is the OG of Portfolio Crizz. She was talking about it in 2002.
And she's taken me under her wing and really supported me in getting the message out. And I really admire and respect both of them.
Conscious Success Co (01:07:35.298)
Yeah, and it's so amazing that our mentors have mentors, right? Like everyone is learning from others and getting supported hopefully in that way. So it's so beautiful to hear that you have that kind of support yourself. So last question is, if you could give your 10 year old self one piece of advice, what would it be?
Jules (01:07:59.01)
It sounds a bit corny, but I'm going to say it like follow that spark of joy because I always had this expansion of what gave me joy and every time I followed that it's never faulted me.
Conscious Success Co (01:08:17.698)
And I talk with clients about that all the time, that it's like the things that give us joy, the things that give us energy, like that is the universe pointing us in the direction that we're supposed to go, but so often we make that wrong or we say, well, that's not real work or that's just for fun. And instead being able to double down and to lean into that, it's such an unlock.
Jules (01:08:31.804)
Yes.
Jules (01:08:36.362)
Yeah, the universe leaves you breadcrumbs, so follow them.
Conscious Success Co (01:08:42.124)
Yeah. Isn't that the truth? Okay. Well, I've loved this conversation so, so much. Thank you. Where can our listeners work with you? Where can they stay connected? Give us all the goods and we'll put them in the show notes.
Jules (01:08:54.386)
Okay, so thank you so much for having me. I've loved this conversation. I have a sub stack. It's Julie Fidel at sub stack. So you can follow me there and I write a weekly newsletter. It's called the portfolio careerist. You can find out all of the information about me and what I do within portfolio careers and the future of work and all of the things. So that's where you can find me or on Instagram under Julie underscore Fidel.
Conscious Success Co (01:09:23.64)
You're such a good follow. I highly recommend everyone to both subscribe to your sub stack and follow you on Instagram. I love everything that you put out. So thank you for being here. Thanks for being just such a expander in my world and such an authentic, wonderful woman and leader. I really, really appreciate it and have enjoyed this so much.
Jules (01:09:43.69)
Thank you so much. I've loved this conversation.
